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Dr Jeckle/Mr. Hyde?
Jack the Ripper?
Only been there a few times.. so I am just curious.
Jack the Ripper?
Only been there a few times.. so I am just curious.
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 8:21 AMBoth are later than our period. (J&H may be very late) Also, even though we have a few "baddies" (i. e.: Sykes), they are Mr. Dickens baddies. Jack the Ripper is also a really unpleasant fellow and, unfortunately, very, very real. J&H is Stevenson, besides being too late (or almost so.) -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 8:31 AM20 years ago, we were playing later in the Victorian era (i.e., her Majesty was already widowed and many of her children were grown) -- approximately 20 years prior to Jack the Ripper. A bunch of "us girls" at Leggett's London Tours, who were in our 20s and 30s at the time, played the future victims (I was Annie Chapman) because we were the correct age for the year we were playing. (It did not take us long to figure out that if we played lower class characters we got better gratuities ...) Very few guests "got it" when we introduced ourselves, but it was easy to tell the ones who did because their eyes got very wide.
We also had a great deal of fun sending silly telegrams to one another ... but that is another story entirely. -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 9:06 AMSir Mulberry Hawk and his band of aristo bully boys are pretty bad -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 9:24 AMAwwww. . .they are just pussy cats. Very well dressed pussycats. ;-)
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 9:11 AMDr Jeckle/Mr. Hyde (first published 1886)
Jack the Ripper (Aug. 1888 - Feb 1891) -
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Fri, December 12, 2008 - 9:21 AMI think we've had a Sweeney Todd on occasion, who IS in our period, and references to Spring-Heeled Jack. -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 9:14 AMThere is a couple of customers who have been by a few times dressed as Mr. Depp's Sweeney Todd and the lovely Ms. Lovetts. They have been by Sal's quite a bit and seem to be really loving our playground. -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 11:32 AMI sashayed up to a customer who was "dressed" more or less and writing in a notebook and struck up a conversation. Assuming he was a reporter or some such, I asked him what he was writing. He beamed, pulled out a card and introduced himself as Dr. Jeckyll. -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 11:49 AMWould love to see somebody take on some of the Dickens lowlifes like Rogue Riderhood, Silas Wegg, Wackford Squeers, Tigg Montague, Chevy Slyme, Abel Magwich, etc. -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:04 PMAny upper class villains left unportrayed? Or have we gottem all covered? -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:05 PMThey're in the "etc." category. -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:06 PMA more comprehensive list can be found at www.crackafrigginbook.com. -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 5:07 PMI am so tempted to go register that domain... lol ALMOST did it.
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:36 PMThere is an unsubstantiated rumour that Grandpa Smallweed will be about this weekend... -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:46 PMShake me up!
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 2:35 PMMrs Gamp is pretty damned seedy, isn't she? -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 2:45 PMOnly when you're playing her, dear. -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 2:46 PMOh, Poodle, you do say the *sweetest* things!
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 2:55 PMAnd his daughter Little Rogue Riderhood. -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 3:09 PMShe's very Pleasant.
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 5:11 PMCarl West has been known to play Ol' Wacky Wackford Squeers...even had a boy playing his son at one point.
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 5:16 PMI know this'll open a can of worms - especially from one who has played a "non-period" character at Ren.Faire - but the only time Sweeney Todd appears in Victorian London is when Mr.Sondheim or Mr.Burton places him there. Most caricatures show him in the late 1700's. And even Mr.Overstreet , when quizzed in class , said Sweeney Todd is considered "old history" by us. That said , the couple playing Sweeney & Lovett looked aces! -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 5:24 PMI suppose I meant to say that there were plays about Sweeney during our period. -
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Thu, December 18, 2008 - 7:18 PMAnd songs. -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 2:02 AMWe shouldn't ask about when the "permanent wave" came into being, should we?
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 3:17 PMWell...yeah. And the Penny Dreadful stories , if memory recalls , we're still circulating around "our" period. I just meant as a physical manifestation. -
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 3:38 PMWhether Sweeney Todd was historical or not (and if he was, one source places his crime as occurring in 1785 and another says he hanged in 1801) the serial "A String of Pearls: A Romance" came out in 1846 and was very popular, so he would be on the common collective mind.
In "Martin Chuzzlewit" (the book no one reads) when Tom Pinch comes to London, Dickens writes: "Tom’s evil genius did not lead him into the dens of any of those preparers of cannibalic pastry, who are represented in many standard country legends as doing a lively retail business in the Metropolis." Chuzzlewit was published before "String of Pearls."
Sweeney Todd was a very popular urban legend and one that East End parents used to threaten their children with to get them to behave, as in: "Sweeney Todd will get you if you don't watch out" or "Eat your peas or Sweeney Todd will get you!" -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 7:13 AMOh I'm not even debating his exsistance or appearance in Dickens works ...I'm more extolling what the fair is dictating on certain characters. We can't have "Jack The Ripper" because he's too far in the future. ( Rightly so. ). I'm just saying we shouldn't have a physical appearance by Mr.Todd, short of him being a ghost. ( Patrons aside. ). Sure, he's an excellent threat, subject, etc. , but should no more be seen than Oliver Cromwell. -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 8:01 AMAgreed.
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 9:21 AMThank you, Mark. I was pretty sure about J&H, but a quick look at library and bookstore sites didn't help. :-)
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 9:32 AMMark,
Wasn't Dr Jeykell (as well as the doctor in "The Bodysnatcher) based on the doctor who employed Burke & Hare?
They would certainly be in period. -
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Fri, December 12, 2008 - 10:00 AMWe used to have Burke and Hare oh so long ago -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 10:38 AMBurke and Hare - 1827 and 1828. Kind of early.
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 10:40 AMRich and I played Burke and Hare for one visit a couple of years ago. It was fun, although folks thought we were chimney sweeps with shovels! -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 11:33 AMPickwick Papers and Little Dorrit take place in the 20s.
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Mon, December 15, 2008 - 8:20 PMI've heard the claim made by modern interpreters and scholars
...but I'm frankly unaware of Stevenson actually attributing his fictional Dr Jeykell to any contemporary characters...
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 11:52 AMPeter Overstreet promised that he would be putting info from his "Cruel Britannia" workshop online at some point. He may consider himself poked to do so, in his copious spare time!
Depending on what year we are playing in our heads (it's always sometime in the 1840's for me), we may remember Burke and Hare, the way some people remember Ted Bundy or the Manson family.
5 years ago, there was a Jack the Ripper investigation, but it is, indeed, too late for the period most of us are playing. I enjoyed telling the Scotland Yard inspectors when I had last seen Liz Stride and Annie Chapman, and also that her last customer had been Mr. Fezziwig. We played a lot of near-misses and close calls and SAYING we'd had a close call. I also did a particularly horrifying backstage scream, followed by one of the suspects, Mr. Monks, running out.
There is a mystery tour about the Fair, in which I had the privelege to play a near-victim a few years back, which involves the Spring-Heel Jack Case.
The really seedy characters seem to be from Oliver Twist; Bill Sikes, Fagin and their cronies. Some of them are just misunderstood, some of them are victims of circumstance, but some of them are just plain nasty and evil and seed.
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Fri, December 12, 2008 - 12:51 PM
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Fri, December 12, 2008 - 1:01 PMSome years ago, some friends and I were going to attend as the Liverpool Widows. Historically, they're a couple of decades later, but we were going to do 1850's or 60's costume anyway. I think I was the only one who finished my gown! But one of these days, I fully intend to follow up on that for a day (just as a visitor), perhaps as a young Margaret Higgins.
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Fri, December 12, 2008 - 2:44 PMWow, Dorthea Puente's "ancestors". . . -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 3:42 PMTeri - I had exactly the same thought! Living in Sacramento will do that to 'ya.
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Mon, December 15, 2008 - 8:57 PMMy character (Edgar A. Poe) died in 1849, so I am pushing it a bit.
Don't tell anyone. -
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 9:20 PMYou're close enough. I don't think anyone has noticed.
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 9:51 PMAlso, we won't mention that Mr. Poe had not set foot in England since 1820, when he was still a schoolboy of 11. We like having him in Dickensian London too much to quibble about such minor details. :) -
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 4:48 PMPerhaps we're all seeing the ghost of Mr.Poe? -
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Re: Just curious… are some of the more “seedy” characters portrayed?
Tue, December 16, 2008 - 7:22 PMI know I am
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