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I love the carousel and hope it will be around for many more years - my kids love it too...
This is something that happened this last Dec. when my family came to the fair and took my twins to ride the carousel. I find it hard to believe that people this rude exist, but it does explain why we can't seem to manage world peace.
There they are, standing in line waiting for a ride, behind them is a man with 4 kids who is loudly telling the kids they need to push everyone out of their way when the gate opens and get on the next ride. These kids barreled through everyone in front of them, but two of them were indecisive and didn't get an animal - this man told them that since they weren't aggressive enough they didn't get to ride at all.
OMG - what kind of people is he building for the next generation??
This is something that happened this last Dec. when my family came to the fair and took my twins to ride the carousel. I find it hard to believe that people this rude exist, but it does explain why we can't seem to manage world peace.
There they are, standing in line waiting for a ride, behind them is a man with 4 kids who is loudly telling the kids they need to push everyone out of their way when the gate opens and get on the next ride. These kids barreled through everyone in front of them, but two of them were indecisive and didn't get an animal - this man told them that since they weren't aggressive enough they didn't get to ride at all.
OMG - what kind of people is he building for the next generation??
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Re: Dickens Carousel - boy are people rude!
Fri, March 13, 2009 - 9:38 AMI'm speechless. -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 9:54 AMPoliticians
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 10:10 AMThat makes me truly sad. -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 10:37 AMBullies!
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 11:07 AMI sure hope he doesn't take them home and beat them...
My family had a brunch recently, and this is the first time they told me this story, which is why it came up- now instead of in December...
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 11:10 AMThese people also spend a lot of time in Disneyland pushing smaller children out of the way to get to Mickey first! I would love to see how these kids end up as adults. -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 11:21 AMeek... The parents should be shot. -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 11:23 AMProbably grow up to be woman-beaters, rapists and that asshole who cut you off in traffic.
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 1:15 PMI'm very sorry you had this experience at the Dickens Fair. Many of us that have responded here with outrage are performers and workers there, as well as parents of young children. Rest assured this is not indicative of the general attitude, but one man exercising extremely bad parenting at your own childrens' expense.
All we can do is use these episodes to try and teach our own kids how much it hurts our feelings when others disregard them and how to be considerate, polite, compassionate and kind people. Because the more of "us" there are, the more "they" are shamed.
We look forward to welcoming you to the Fair next year for what we hope will be a much more pleasant experience!
Cheers. -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 4:00 PMummm, Carrie, my family works fair... -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 5:12 PMOkay. That wasn't clear by your post and there are a lot of customers here as well, since this is a public Tribe.
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Sun, March 15, 2009 - 11:16 PMIs there a way for us all to publicly berate this man (and others like him?) Either passive-agressive stuff like asking our own kids "Is it nice to push and shove? No, it's meeeeean! Gosh, I would say you can't have a ride if you DO push and shove! That's just not nice!" or getting in the man's face (mildly) and saying "That's what you're teaching them? That's ridiculous,we live in a polite society where we've developed the concepts of "standing in line" "waiting our turn!"
"Polite society" goes for 19th century London and 21st century America, despite occasional pockets of inhumanity that this man has no excuse to be a part of. (There wasn't enough food or clothing to go around the Seven Dials. There are plenty of carousel rides for those who wait.)
Adapt to your own chutzpah and urge to engage. The trouble with people who are mostly-polite is that we spend a lot of time biting our tongues, while these idiots with no boundaries are loudly trying to normalize their POV. It's not normal; the only way we can make that clear is by telling these people (and their innocent-but-not-for-long-if-this-kind-of-training keeps up.).
Now, it'd be amusing to say something about how he must be a teacher at Dotheboys Hall, but it'd probably sail over his head.
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 2:41 PMDear Lord! You encountered these couthless turds as well? I believe these same little creeps were the ones hounding Fagin's Den. The man / parent-thingy , seemed to be encouraging his charges to be as disrespectful of everybody and everything as possible! They walked onto our stage , made themselves to home , started eating our foodstuffs , and there's me & Bill Sykes ( Bullyboys Ltd. ) , refraining from saying anything unsavory...quite restrained we were told later...and as best we could - in character - requested that they leave the stage. ( "You lads don't want to be 'ere when Fagin gets back, he'll put yer to work." ). They rebuffed this. The Parent-thingy then tried to hurl insults, "You must be the Mayor! Boys praise the Mayor,and his minion!". ( So now , we're starting to stew a little , but still trying to maintain our patron / performer boundries. ). We both broke character , and said in quiet voices to the Parent-thingy , "Look , we have to have your kids off the stage , if they fall or break something , they could do themselves an injury , and since we've alerted you to this , the fair cannot be held responsible." We had to go over this three times,including the addition of our cast director Gwen, before he got his kids to get off the stage. ( They did so grudgingly , and tried to take some of our swag too. ). We couldn't figure out if it was a put on or what. We wanted to murder them! -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 3:20 PMMuch as I think they'll probably grow up to be rotten bastrads who I'd just want to bitchslap if I ever had to meet them, I still feel pity for the kids. Their lives are being sabotaged right now. -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 3:22 PMYep ... they're going to grow up with a tremendous sense of entitlement, and not even care whom they harm in the process of getting "what's theirs."
"What that girl wants is a swift kick in the pants." -- Grandpa Joe, about Veruca Salt, in the original "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" movie ... -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 3:29 PMLittle Neocons.
I hope they use Dad's philosophies on him when he needs them them to take care of him.
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 6:33 PMGak, what complete trash. Back in the day.... they were just clueless, not out-and-out flaming assrude. (Back in the day I ran the carousel at a national park.) -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 7:47 PMand I hope Security was called. ?!?!?!
I believe either of the stated activities could have easily gotten them 86'd from the faire.
both activies were more than rude, they were "dangerous"
so with a parent encouraging them, doesn't that border on Child Endangerment, on top of all the other things.
I do believe the encouraging to steal (eating someone else's food) does qualify
there is no reason to keep mum about it... they were harming the fair for the other paying customers.
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 11:01 PMFolks like that just make me feel sad and tired. My kids will have to deal with his kids when they get older. -
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Fri, March 13, 2009 - 11:09 PMI'm so happy that my folks taught me manners. They are what separate us from savage beasts and keep us from murdering one another.
One of the reasons I love recreating the Victorian and Renaissance periods is because they were times when manners really mattered. I go nuts being around people these days. No sensitivity to the people around them.
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Sat, March 14, 2009 - 9:12 AMBut we don't, Rydell. :-) -
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Sat, March 14, 2009 - 9:46 AMSee all of your answers gives me hope because I am not the only one who not only treats others with respect but also is appalled when I see people like this guy... My husband says I should live in the real world and stop being surprised when others are ill-behaved, but why should I when I can hang out will all of you? :-)
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Sat, March 14, 2009 - 10:53 AMOne SHOULD be surprised and appalled. When there is no condemnation of poor behavior, there is no incentive to behave well. -
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Sat, March 14, 2009 - 12:44 PMI think it says a lot that I am more surprised when I see children behaving *well* than when I see them behaving badly. :-( -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 3:53 AM
** " I think it says a lot that I am more surprised when I see children behaving *well* than when I see them behaving badly. :-( " **
I so totally agree with you, Sharon. Being that I work with the public all the time, I have on a few rare occasions complimented & thanked parents on how well they are raising their children, just because a child said please or thank you or was well behaved for whatever reason. And it's a shame that I feel the need to do that.
Sadly, people seem to no longer be taught about boundaries. They could care less if it doesn't belong to them. They are going to touch it, climb on it, take it or break it. :C
I suggest that if these hooligans turn up again, Security should be notified. -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:52 AMSilver Unicorn wrote: I have on a few rare occasions complimented & thanked parents on how well they are raising their children
Joy, I do exactly the same thing -- and also thank the kids for behaving so nicely. It should *not* be so rare as to be remarkable, IMO, but it is.
When Jeff and I go to Disneyland or WDW, we take a supply of pins (purchased on sale/clearance, so not too expensive) to just give to kids we see behaving well/politely (waiting their turn, etc.) as a surprise -- with parental permission, of course. Reinforcing the positive, hopefully, will make an impact. -
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 2:28 AM
*hehe* Sharon, for a moment there, I thought you were going to say you discreetly (sp?) poked the bad kids with the pins. :P Silly me.
I'm guessing you mean 'pins' like buttons and cute stuff? ;D Good idea. I may start doing that. -
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 4:36 PMLOL, Joy. Yeah, Disney sells enamel pins with different characters on them; pin trading is quite a going concern. We don't trade; we have particular characters we collect, and then we buy other pins on clearance or at the Disney outlet for very little money so that we have them to just give away at the parks to kids we "catch" being good on the theory that positive reinforcement -- especially from a stranger -- means something. If people (regardless of age) think other people are looking, my experience has been that they try to be just that much more polite.
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Sat, March 14, 2009 - 12:48 PMGood manners and kicking some one's ass are not mutually exclusive. -
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Sat, March 14, 2009 - 1:39 PMIn Texas you can get away with murder if you can prove "he just needed killin'"!! -
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Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:42 AMThat is soo completely rude. I know I have taught my kids ( the ones I teach) manners. Lucky for me the parents encourage this.
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Sun, March 15, 2009 - 1:48 PMYeah, I was thinkin that. Just imagine what those kids' teachers are dealing with. Must make Parent-Teacher conferences nice. <rolls eyes> -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:53 AM"Why, how *dare* you imply that my Snotleigh is problematic in class? Clearly you are *not* aware of his importance as an Indigo child. Obviously you are a poor excuse for a teacher, and I will be reporting you to the school board."
That is pretty much how parent-teacher conferences probably look where these kids are concerned ... -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:13 AMChildren are born little barbarians, and it is the duty of their caretakers to inlflict at least a veneer of civilisation on them. Manners are not absorbed out of the thin air nor the water supply. -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 11:43 AMMy experience yesterday at the Exploratorium: Owen and Alice were playing with some blocks at a table, there were two stations at this table. The other boy playing was hogging most of the blocks (no parents around, and this kid was about nine or ten, so he should have known better). Alice dropped one of her blocks into the common area by accident. The other boy, without saying anything, snatched-up the block with lightening speed. I looked at the boy with the Evil Eye. No response. Another block dropped. Same thing. Luckily, there was another table of blocks. I quickly picked Alice up and said to Owen (loudly): "Let's go over to this table where the kids look like they might *actually* share with us." There was another parent at the other table so I said something like this to her (loudly, again, and in the other kid's general direction...just cause I am quite the Shit-Disturber!): "I can't *believe* the rudeness of some kids! What a *RUDE* little boy! He won't even share the blocks with any other kids." She agreed with me (loudly, and in his general direction.........Ahhhh....a kindred spirit)
Ya know, my kids might be a little hyper and loud sometimes, but they never push people out of the way, they (mostly) always wait their turn, they know how to share, and they always say: "please, thank you and you're welcome".
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:51 AMDrop character and say this right to dad's face:
Your children must wait their turn. If you persist in telling them otherwise I will have security remove you and your children from the event immediately. -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 5:34 PMWell, I might have done that if I had been there with them.... Maybe we are all better armed to deal with this if it comes up again!
A funny thing that happens to me sometimes is when I am taking my kids to task for what I consider bad behavior, and someone comes up to tell me how well behaved they are - has happened more than once. :-) -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:32 PMI also rarely hesitate to correct other people's misbehaving offspring, especially since I am usually far larger than they are. -
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 11:41 PMI come from the country, where people much ruder, than here.
I embarrassed myself so many times in so many occasions,
I believe in a straight forward communication. Instead of being
passive-agressive, be straight forward and bold. I understand, that a lot of you folks
have much better manners and clearer boundaries than others...
I praise you for that. But I think that polite people usually suffer rudeness and abuse
much more than they want to. If your boundaries crossed, why?...
Why continue being polite if someone crosses your boundaries.
Just say, that is not OK with you and you won't tolerate it...
Than recognition of boundaries happens or not...
And you deal with that.
What if they won't listen?
What if they will?...
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Mon, March 30, 2009 - 5:13 PMI'am Glad that they left they Mr. Punch alone.. He's well over 365 yrs. old.
plus he's got a Big Wamp'in Stick . I've seen'em beat the Stuffing out the Ghost !!
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Mon, April 20, 2009 - 10:24 PMAHHHHHHHHH! I'm appalled, how horrible. It frightens me that my future childern will have to live in a world with people who were raised like that guy is raising his kids.