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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 2:24 PMWow, weird!
I love it!
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 3:29 PMI would've liked it better if she was the dom and he was the sub. -
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 4:43 PMIn some ways she was the Dom.
She just chose to have it appear submissive.
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Thu, June 26, 2008 - 4:43 PMShe was a psychological Dom! -
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 4:56 PMshe had dirty hands
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 5:00 PMIn that way, all Dom/Sub relationships are reversed as the Sub generally has the final say on everything. -
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 5:59 PMand callouses
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 6:23 PMIt would've been nice to publish a photo of her with clothes on, don't you think? Fucking patriarchal mentality prevails. -
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Thu, June 26, 2008 - 8:04 PMCarrie, it may be possible that this is the only picture we have of her. At least I hope so. In any event, it looks better than a sooty handprint, I reckon -
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 11:10 PMI think, as someone with a middling knowledge of Victorian conventions, that picture really brings home his idealization of her, as well as the clear flouting of taboos. Without seeing it, how could we possibly know the astonishing degree to which they both rejected the social and cultural norm? It's not degrading or disrespectful to her, though some people may get their low-minded jollies off it. It shows her as he wanted to see her, and as she was willing to appear for him.
It feels very much as though this woman was not exploited any more than she exploited, living her fantasy as much as he lived his. But the core of her identity, her integrity, was in her self-sufficiency, her pride in her position in the class into which she was born. She could not *imagine* being other than that which she knew herself to be, and in which she had confidence.
Poor things. Both of 'em. Trapped by their fetishes.
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 8:59 AMWhat a Bittersweet Love Story.
Just shows to go ya: you can't change a person who doesn't want to change.
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 8:50 AMWhat a fascinating article, Diana. Thank you so much for sharing it.
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Fri, June 27, 2008 - 1:18 PMI actually read this book ("The Diaries of Hannah Chulwick") several years ago for a Women's History class. (BTW, the book does have at least 1 photo with her clothes on!) Facinating reading. Now I have to see if I can find my copy. And yeah, I always thought it would be fun to play at Fair.
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Fri, June 27, 2008 - 1:39 PMErm...is it just me...or does Hannah Chulwick slightly resemble a certain Crummel we all know?
( Not that I've ever seen her drop top at fair...but the face is very reminiscent! )
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 2:03 PMbooks.guardian.co.uk/review/...,00.html
Love and Dirt: the Marriage of Arthur Munby and Hannah Cullwick
A review of another book about the odd pair.
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Re: Upstairs Downstairs With a Twist
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 9:29 PMThanks for posting this!
By the way, there's another biography titled, "The Erotomaniac: The Secret Life of Henry Spencer Ashbee" by Ian Gibson. It's a little later in period (1870's) about an aristocrat who keeps an extensive salacious library and compiled a couple of encyclopedias on the subject.
www.amazon.com/Erotomania.../0306810646